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The Removal of Horns on Goats
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DISBUDDING

The following information has been complied for general reference and educational purposes only. It is not intended, in any way to replace professional veterinary advice or care for your goats. The following information was originally compiled from various sources (on-line, books, anecdotally, and person experience) that reported the successful application of the following on goats, as listed. This information is presented without any guarantee. Any person making the decision to act upon this information should consult with their Veterinarian first and is solely responsible for the effects of their own actions.

DISBUDDING, I am happy to offer disbudding services to anyone needing to have their babies done. I work quickly, carefully and as gently as possible. Please read about the procedure (below) before bringing your babies out. I charge $10 for each baby.

Hot Iron Disbudding

(The removal of undeveloped horns on baby goats)
While disbudding is not the most pleasant job for goat breeders, it produces goats that are much safer to work around, that are less likely to find themselves caught in fences or feeders and are also less likely to injure other animals or their human companions. Disbudding is one of the most difficult jobs a goat breeder has to do. As responsible goat Breeders we must be able to disbud in a safe way causing no harm and the least amount of pain possible. Finding a veterinarian that has experience with goats is almost impossible. I have also been told that they do not like using general anaesthetic on really young kids as the kids often do not come out of it.

The disbudding iron is not the place to try to save money. Get a good quality one that will do the job quickly. A low quality iron heats slower and may not get hot enough, thus making the procedure take longer and cause undue stress and pain to the kid. I will list the steps I personally take in the disbudding process. Please make sure you have an experienced disbudder or veterinarian (that has experience with goats), helping you the first time.

All kids are given a quick once over (Never disbud a sick kid).
Ideally, my kids are done after they are 9 days old. Kids can be done a little older but the job may take a little longer and there may be more chance of scurs (small, deformed horns) developing.
Kids are ready to do any time after you can feel a distinct bump (the horn bud).
The most important thing to remember is to make sure the IRON IS HOT. Let it heat up at least 10 minutes; we let it warm up at least 20 minutes. We make sure it is ready by applying it to a wooden board, you will get an immediate dark brown ring and smoke.
Collect your kid, (one at a time), when you are ready to go. This would be the ideal time to trim the hair around the buds. I do not shave my goat's head, although this would reduce the amount of smoke (for me). A cheap pair of human hair trimmers is all you need.

I prefer to restrain my kids by wrapping them in a towel, many Breeders put them in a specially designed disbudding box. I prefer the towel, it seems a little less severe (for me).
I used to hold them in my arms while Andrew disbudded, but find that they struggle too much and the job seemed to take longer.

I drape the towel over my little one like so. I disbud on a nice grassy patch or with a second towel under their little chin. I use pavers or bricks to rest my iron on.
I fold little front legs under and gently pop my little one down on the ground.
Note the correct position of the legs and the way the kid sits on the ground.
I straddle my little one being sure to pull the towel out under my knees to tighten it up. The towel then acts as a second set of hands.
I run my hands down over the face and pull the little ears back. I hold the little head down against the ground.
This is generally the time that the kid will start yelling, they do not like to be restrained. I try not to panic and remember I must remain calm, although my heart feels as though it is going to race out of my chest….

I firmly place the iron over the bud and evenly twist back and forth for a couple of seconds. You should end up with a leathery to white ring around the horn bud. I do the other side. If I do not get a complete ring, I simply re-apply the iron for a couple more seconds. Never burn more than a count of ten at any time. (I count fast).
They say that the disbudding iron will actually cauterise the nerves and the kid will feel little or no pain when you are done. When you are done, spray both marks with an antiseptic spray (the spray also stops the burning).

We then let the little one go back to mum, or give them their bottle that we prepared earlier. The nursing reflex is a good way to judge stress - a stressed kid will not nurse. Ours are usually off and bopping around under mum or pestering us for their bottle, immediately after they are released.
In a few days, the burnt area will become a scab. In about 3 to 5 weeks (depending on the kid) the scabs will fall off on their own. Do not pick at them. If the scabs are scratched off by your little one, the area may bleed a little so we always apply antiseptic powder.
The head should be kept as dry as possible during the healing process, so it's a good idea not to bath your little one for the weeks following disbudding.

Our Thoughts on Disbudding....
Many people worry about causing brain damage during the disbudding process. My advice is if you do not know what you are doing, get a vet or an experienced disbudder to do it, or at least, teach you to do it. In all the years that we have disbudded, we have never lost one kid, or had any kids appear sick after the procedure. Having the right equipment, the confidence and the experience to perform the job should prevent any injuries.
I offer disbudding service and charge $10 per animal (by appointment only). I offer this service on the condition that you understand the procedure and agree to accept full responsibility for all outcomes.

Some Problems said to be Associated with Disbudding
* Brain damage is caused by holding the disbudding iron on the skull for too long. Not holding it on for long enough will cause scurs to form, there is a balance. Doing more than 4 kids in one day will not increase the chance of any additional kids getting brain damage.
* Tetanus has been linked to one disbudding job that I have been informed of. This simply points out the need to have the mothers vaccinations up-to-date so that the kid/s are covered.
* Infection the area should have an antiseptic spray applied to help prevent infection.
* Mucky scabs occurs when the wound is wet, so it is always best to keep the little one out of the rain and avoid washing the area at bath time.
* Flies!!!! oooooooo!!!! These little creatures (on rare occasions) leave their grubs to crawl around in the (wet) wound, if the area is moist, another reason to keep it dry. Metho should remove them and an antiseptic spray with insecticide should prevent re-infestation.
* Bleeding
- during disbudding, the iron may not be quite hot enough, test it out on a small piece of timber, it should burn a brown ring
straight away.

Some Problems that we have encountered....
* Bleeding - from scratching, occasionally the kid will scratch at it's haed and cause the area to bleed, applying dehorning powder will help to stem the bleeding.
* Horns re-growing happens from time to time and can often be linked to the iron not being quite hot enough, (disbudding on a really windy day, not allowing the iron to heat up enough etc, disbudding animals that are too young or using too wide a ring). In this situation, simply disbud again.
* Scurs form when the bud is not quite removed, the reasons above may also apply here and the scurs can be removed by application of the edge of the hot iron over the area.

Doing the kids when they are ready and not doing them all in one hit, most Breeders plan their breedings so that their animals are kidding (in small groups) around the same time, this would make the kids about the same age in which case they would be presented for disbudding about the same time. Provided the iron is given time to heat up, in between each baby, the number of babies done at one time should only depend on how many the handler was comfortable doing. I would be more inclined to think that the more babies that were done in one day, the better the jobs would get, I know I get more confident as I go and each job seems to get quicker.

The Disbudding Issue.....
We agree whole heartedly with Molly Bunton (Fiasco Farm) in regards to the disbudding issue. We too, have first hand knowledge and experience with goats that have had horns v's goats that are without and the procedures required for the latter.
We also believe that everyone has the right to have their own opinion, has the right to choose how they want to keep their own animals and what they want to use them for.
The Australian Miniature Goat was designed to be a PET breed, pure and simple. Their size made them easier to handle compared to their larger cousins (Dairy goats, who I might add, are routinely disbudded). Breeders decided (way back in 2002), that goats would only be allowed to participate in Shows and Fun Days if they did not have horns, for safety reasons (the same rule set by the Dairy Goat Society of Australia).
*Safety for the handler/exhibitor/judge,
*Safety for the spectator/s who often want to have a pat,
*Safety for the travelling goat or the goat tied up beside it's mate/s in their pen.

Breeders calling their animals Australian Miniature goats and selling them as pets, receive far more for their animals than they would if they called them "commercial" goats, and that is because they are marketed as PETS and not as someone's next meal.

Unlike Molly Bunton (and many other Breeders), I did not struggle with the disbudding issue, my decision was made for me when the first "close call" occurred with my own daughter while playing with her pet goat. Horns on our goats, was NOT an option.
I truly believe it IS in the best interest of the animal to disbud at an early age, considering what we have chosen to use them for and how they are to be kept. I agree with Molly Bunton when she states "In the long term, they will have not only safer lives (less likely to injure others) but they will also make better herd mates, and safer pets and companions, thus helping to guarantee they can live out their lives in good, loving, caring, permanent homes"...more from Molly....
Our animals are part of our family. We do try to ensure that they are sold as pets and not as meat. We try to ensure that they are going to really good homes where they will be cared for AS PETS (breeding optional). I struggle with the dairy cows being sent away when their useful life has expired, so maybe I do "over compensate" with my goats.
I do understand the financial side of things with "commercial animals" (which unfortunately is what makes our world go around, keeping us all fed) but that doesn't mean I have to like it.
I agree with Molly's next statement, "It's certainly better to go through a one time, short, painful experience, than for a herd animal to be (individually) penned, or tied out alone, by themselves for the rest of their life", or to have been a bottle baby, part of a human family, only to be abandoned later in life because of a "scary" or dangerous set of horns.
We disbud for the same reasons many other Breeders do, including Molly Bunton and agree with her when she says "We do it because it is in the best interest of the goat and is the responsible thing to do as the goat's caretaker".
If you go back to the last line under the "Basic requirements for the welfare of goats", which reads; "Protection from pain, suffering and injury"; I believe that disbudding our goats does protect them from unnecessary pain and injuries sustained from fighting between otherwise horned animals given that our animals are often yarded, share nice warm shelters and are fed daily in a fairly confined area. As we use "hinge joint" (dog mesh) to protect our animals from predation (another basic welfare requirement), disbudding our animals also protects them from getting stuck in fencing and having to sit stuck somewhere until found and released.
We agree with Molly when she says, "We all go through difficult and painful experiences in our lives - that is the nature of life; in life, there is some suffering for all of us. It is our intent for our kids, that going through one short difficult experience when they are very young will alleviate more painful and difficult experiences later in life. We are being responsible caretakers, thinking about the long term well being of our charges. We do the job very conscientiously; we do it as quickly as possible, attempting to keep the pain and stress to an absolute minimum. When done correctly the goat suffers no long term negative physical, or emotional, effects from the procedure".
We believe that the long-term benefits of disbudding far outweigh the unpleasant but quick procedure.

I love this last quote from Molly,"
As I go through this life, I just try to be as kind, compassionate, humane, and also understanding, as I can. We all... all living beings,... are in this together; we aren't just separate waves, but we are all part of the whole ocean". -Molly Bunton.

Thanks Molly, for allowing us to use the above "quotes" taken from your beautiful website, Fiasco Farm 2007.


Our Duty of Care....

I would like to start with this extract from the Department of Primary Industries, "Code of accepted farming practice for the welfare of goats", Bureau of Animal Welfare, Attwood, from the Vic DPI website July 2007,
Goats are kept in situations that vary from extensive grazing to close confinement and housing. Whatever the form of husbandry, owners, managers and custodians of goats have a duty of care and a clearly defined legal responsibility under the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1986 to care for the welfare of the animals under their control. The basic behavioural, anatomical and physiological needs of goats are considered in this document, irrespective of the method of husbandry practised.
The basic requirements for the welfare of goats are:
· Food and water to sustain health and vitality;
· Sufficient space to provide freedom to stand, lie down, stretch, turn around, move about and groom themselves;
· Protection from predation;
· Protection from disease, including disease that can be exacerbated by management;
· Protection from extremes of climate during certain phases of their life;
· Protection from pain, suffering and injury.

The document also contained the following information on disbudding, dehorning and tipping of goat horns;
Disbudding of kids should be by heat cautery only. The entire horn bud must be removed and the operation must be performed as soon as the bud can be located. Regrowth of horn occurs very readily, so kids should be checked two to three weeks after disbudding. Disbudding by means of chemicals is not acceptable. Dehorning (as distinct from disbudding) should only be performed under general anaesthesia or narcosis. Dehorning should only be performed by, or under the supervision of, a registered veterinary practitioner. Horn trimming or the removal of sharp horn points is recommended to minimise injury to other goats. It should be performed so as to avoid bleeding and ensure that no sharp horn projection remain after the procedure.

For a copy of the Model Code of Practice for the Welfare of Animals - The Goat go to the CSIRO website and download a copy




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