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Heights....

HEIGHT VERIFICATION, we are happy to measure your goat/s for you, 1yr, 2yr, 3yr etc, just contact us to arrange a day to bring them around. FREE of charge.

Measuring Your Goat (extract from AMGR website)
-Height measurement is taken from the highest point of the wither to the ground with the animal standing on a solid level floor, preferably concrete.
- The measuring stick should be a right angle device set perpendicular to the floor with a spirit level to ensure accuracy.
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The animal should be as relaxed as possible with its head in a comfortable upright position, NOT down eating off a bucket. The animal should be standing squarely with all four legs comfortably positioned straight up and down under the body.
- Height measurement must be done by a knowledgeable Registered Breeder or Veterinarian. A knowledgeable horse person may also be able to assist.

- The height is measured in centimetres, to the first decimal point eg/ 53.3cm or 57.0cm
- It is important to make sure that the animal is standing in a relaxed position and not leaning backwards or forwards. (Accurate measurement cannot be taken when the animal is held by the horns),or the animal has it's legs outstretched or legs are not evenly placed. The animal should NOT be crouching, hunching or over stretching.

Reducing Maximum Heights Below 21"…. What We Think.
The following is written in responce to a letter published by the *AMGA in 2005...
*AMGA: Australian Miniature Goat Association Inc
On the 1st July, 2005 the AMGA dropped maximum heights for the grades again, this time with Purebred Australian Miniature Goat Bucks & Does, now not to exceed 50.8cm, or 20" (as adults), with the AMGA preferring animals to be smaller than this, measuring between 17" and 19".

AMGA
(maximum height - bucks & does)
Grade D - 63.5cm (25")
Grade C - 58.5cm (23")
Grade B - 55.8cm (22")
Grade A - 53.3cm (21")
Purebred - 50.8cm (20")
AMGR
(maximum height
- bucks & does)
Grade D - Bucks 63.5cm (25"), Does 63.5cm (25")
Grade C - Bucks 63.5cm (25"), Does 61.0cm (24")
*Grade B - Bucks 62.2cm (24.5"), Does 59.7cm (23.5")
Grade A - Bucks 61cm (24"), Does 58.5cm (23")
Purebred - Bucks 60cm (23.6"), Does 57cm (22.4")
*MGBA adjusted B Grade heights Feb 2008.

By setting AMGA Buck heights (max) 20 inches, Does, being naturally smaller, will (eventually) rarely exceed 18 inches in height.

Mark Adkins (National Pygmy Goat Association (NPGA) Breed Standard Chair), suggested we (the AMGR) aim for Bucks at 20 - 22 inches high and Does 18 - 20 inches high and said that these are approximately the most sizes of (NPGA) mature pygmy goats now.
Breeders said that both Pygmy and Nigerian Dwarf goat Does under 18 inches, commonly suffer with pregnancy and birthing difficulties due to the reduction in overall body size. Studies have shown that the size and proportions of a kid from a 17 inch doe is very similar to that from a 19-20 inch doe, (under the same stud management). These super tiny does have difficulty carrying kids and have a higher incidence of Ketosis (pregnancy toxaemia) as the food intake reduces (and nutrient requirements are not met), with the increased growth of the kid/s towards the third term of pregnancy. Breeders also prefer not to breed with such small females (especially when their tiny does have required caesareans). The Nigerian Dwarf Goat Association has 17 inches (and under) listed as a major breed fault.

The AMGA said, "the consensus from the general public was that a 23 inch goat (the accepted maximum height for other registries), which occurs naturally in breeds such as Angora, Cashmere and Australian Feral, should not be promoted as a miniature bred goat and sold as such".
Most people agree that 23 inches for a doe, is too big to be promoted as a true miniature. 23" is considered to be an average height for female Angora, Cashmere and Feral goats with females from 23 inches to 26 inches being common. Females around 21 - 23 inches in height are often found within these breeds and these are among the animals that many miniature goat breeders use as base stock in the endeavour to produce the Australian miniature breeds.
A 23 inch Buck, however, is far from being a naturally occurring height in any of the above breeds or any other types of Australian goats for that matter, unless of course, he is measured at two years of age or he has been stunted. Even a 24 inch buck is considered to be extremely small with Angora, Cashmere and Australian Feral bucks usually standing between 25 inches to 28 inches.

The AMGA also stated that "it sets the highest standards in the industry and therefore animals registered with them are of a far higher quality".
There is no doubt that the committee has set the lowest height standards in the industry.
We believe that the height of an animal has no bearing as to the quality of the animal. The quality of an animal should be based on, Conformation (how the animal is put together), Temperament (how the animal behaves), Fertility (being able to produce healthy viable offspring, easily and naturally) and Hardiness (how the animal handles disease, environment), standards that you will find listed under each of the individual Australian Miniature Breed Types.
Breeders often "go back" a Grade by using a better quality (slightly taller, lower Grade) animal with an animal of a higher Grade that does not quite meet the requirements of the breed, ensuring that future generations are not only small, but they do indeed meet the "Breed Standard of Excellence" at Purebred. At any livestock show, conformation will always take precedence over height.

Quite a few AMGR Breeders that have been in the industry for 3 or more years have had the animals that could, with lots of inbreeding, produce animals meeting these tiny heights, but at what expense to the animals being produced? Some of our smallest (Grade D & C) animals have less than perfect conformation, most are of no real type, are less hardy and are way too small (*structurally) to be used in inbreeding programs. There are simply not enough tiny quality animals available to us to maintain a relatively large, healthy gene pool.
*Structurally - narrow hips and pins, shallow chest floor, lacking body capacity, suspect mouth, pinched muzzle etc.

Lets face it, who wants to be breeding goats, generation after generation and not be able to climb the Grade ladder? We all aim for purebred, it is the ultimate "Breeders Goal", even though some of us end up falling in love with our lower Grade animals, then find it difficult to part with them and end up selling our higher Grade babies instead!!

We all need to put time and careful selection into the animals we pair. Any person can breed small goats, but it takes a dedicated Breeder to be able to select small animals that meet the type requirements and pair the right combinations to produce healthy animals that they can truly be proud of, ambassadors for their Studs and the Breed, advertisements to their fellow Breeders showing all that they are the most knowledgeable among us!

It is not an over night venture, you cannot produce 20" animals from 21-25" stock, not in one or even two generations and 99% of the bucks we are using today are or will mature over 24-25".


We helped set up the Australian Miniature Goat Association in 2004 and all information at that time had come directly from our many years of research and data collection. Midway through 2004 it became evident to me that Terry & Debbie Watson and Jenny Went had very different ideas on how they wanted the group to be managed, so I resigned from the Board of Management and left the group.

We do not support
the Australian Miniature Goat Association Inc. (AMGA) while it is being managed by the above people but we are happy to offer help and support to any Breeder registered with them.



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